Big 6 or 8-1 to 1: 9.0900: Top rated site. In craps, there is a 1 in 6 chance of rolling a 7 on the dice, or a 16.67% probability. Bets with Poor Craps Odds Big 6/Big 8 Bet. This is a Bet on a Big 6 or Big 8, put down after the point has been established. If a 6 or 8 is rolled before a 7, you win (1:1). This is a bet that you should not play because you can Place a bet on 6 or 8 and receive better odds. ANSWER: Place bets on 6 and 8 and the Big 6 and 8 bets work in much the same way. If the shooter rolls your number, you win, and if he rolls a 7 you lose. No other numbers matter in deciding the bets. The difference is that winners on the place bets pay at 7-6 odds, provided you bet in multiples of $6.
When I’m gambling at the casino and playing craps, I love the place bet on the 6 and 8. If I’m not playing for the camera, I’ll typically bet about $12 max on the place 6 and place 8. If you see me place betting more, then I’m doing it for your entertainment.
I see this comment all the time in my craps videos, paraphrase, ‘why don’t you put a few hundred on the 6 and 8 place bets instead of odds?’
I’ll present this argument for why I do not make such a play: any time a player fails to max odds on the point of 6 or 8, and makes a place bet instead, that player is effectively betting the Big 6 or Big 8.
EXPLANATION OF THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8 BET
To make the Big 6 or Big 8 bet, the player places his chips in the area marked Big 6 or Big 8. The Big 6 and Big 8 bet is a self-service bet, meaning that the player makes the bet on his own.
The Big 6 and Big 8 are two separate bets. The player is not required to bet both the Big 6 and the Big 8. A player makes bet one or the other or both. For example, here is a bet on the Big 8 only…
Once the player has made his or her bet on either the Big 6 or Big 8 or both, the player will win if the corresponding number, that the player bet on, rolls before 7 rolls.
For example, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win, whereas if the 7 rolls, the player will lose. A win will pay even money. Therefore, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win $3 because the player bet $3.
Big 6 Casino Game
If 6, 8, or 7 does not roll, then the shooter will continue rolling until a 6, 8, or 7 rolls. The Big 6 and Big 8 are multi-roll bets.
If this win-loss condition sounds familiar, that’s because it’s the exact same win-loss condition as the place bet on 6 and 8.
Big Six Big Eight Craps
ALMOST NO ONE BETS THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8
If you watch my videos, you’ll almost never see anyone betting the Big 6 or Big 8. I’ve looked for it, and I’ve not seen it. The Big 6 and Big 8 bets are horrible bets. The vast majority of craps players know it, which is why almost no one ever bets it.
As much as I play craps, I see someone betting the Big 6 and Big 8 maybe once a year.
The Big 6 and Big 8 make no sense as a bet because for the exact same-win conditions, you can give your money to the dealer and be paid more money for the exact same win-loss. A $12 bet on the Big 6 pays $12, whereas a $12 bet on the place 6 bet pays $14. With both bets, the bet wins if 6 rolls and loses if 7 rolls.
Even if the player messes up and bets $10, the place bet is still better than the Big 6, in the above case. A $10 place bet pays $11, versus $10 payout for the same $10 Big 6 bet.
Bottom line is that the Big 6 and Big 8 are bets relegated to the player who is a noob and has no idea what they’re doing. It’s such a bad bet that Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to offer it.
Las Vegas casinos are phasing it out because almost no one bets it. Here is a picture of a bet that has been introduced in lieu of the Big 6 and Big 8 bet…
Hopefully, I established to you that the Big 6 and Big 8 are horrible bets. But, did you know that when you are making a place bet, you are effectively betting the Big 6 and Big 8?
THE PRACTICAL EFFECT
If I told you, hey ‘bet your money on the Big 6 or Big 8’, you’d tell me that I was crazy and didn’t know anything about craps. You would tell me that the Big 6 and Big 8 are a stupid bet that pays EVEN MONEY when the chances of losing are greater than the chances of winning. That’s why no one bets it.
However, let’s think about the place bet. Let’s say you make a place bet on the 6. You bet $60 on the place 6. A win would pay $70.
If it were an odds bet, you would be betting $60 to win $72. You are missing $2.
If you think about it, you made a $50 odds bet, and then you made a $10…Big 6 bet. Why? Because the $50 pays $60 and then the $10 pays even money. That’s how you end up with $70 payout on a place bet. The house ‘confiscated’ the extra $2 as a fee, which is how the house derives its house edge.
If the player makes a place bet of $6 on the 6 and $6 on the 8, the same effect remains. The house pays true odds on the $5 portion of the bet and then pays even money on the $1 portion. So the house treats the $1 as if it were a Big 6 or Big 8 bet.
You might say if you can’t just make a naked odds bet. That’s true when neither the 6 or 8 are the point and you are trying to access the 6 or 8 via the pass line or come bet. There’s a cost to the odds bet in that you must make a pass line bet to get to the odds bet. If you bet $15on a 3,4,5x game, your expected loss is 21 cents on that bet in the long run. Remember, you will win 8 times automatically on the come out roll, so that offsets the disadvantage after the come out roll. That’s why over the long run, you will lose 21 cents for your $15 come bet (note that if the table minimum is less than $15, the expected loss is less).
However, 21 cents is still cheaper than $2, which you would be missing from your $60 come bet.
So, do you want to pay 21 cents or pay $2 for the same bet?
If you insist on making place bets on the 6 or 8, at least max your odds on the point of 6 or 8 before making a place bet. I’ve seen many players decline max odds, and instead place bet the opposite number. For example, if the point is 6, they will take less than max odds on the 6, and then load up place bets on the 8. The player in that case, is better off, in the long run, not place betting the 8 and shifting the place bet 8 money to the odds on the 6.
Alternatively, you are better off in the long run trying to access the 6 and 8 by making come bets and then taking odds on the 6 and 8. This strategy works better if you take odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 10. If you decline the odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 0r 10, then you must do a loss analysis and compare your play versus simply place betting. Also, this strategy works best on a table with a higher odds multiplier, and you are willing to bet the higher odds multiplier.
Posted in: Casino, Craps, GamblingAtlantic City Casino Craps
The following are the rules from an Atlantic City casino that closed in the 1980s, but all Atlantic City casinos, by state law, play the same way. Note that the table illustrated doesn't have a Big 6, 8 betting space.
Rules Of Play
The game is played with two dice thrown by the 'shooter'. You may bet with the shooter or against him, or make any of the many other bets available. (see the diagram)
A) 'Pass Line'
When the shooter rolls a 7 or 11 on the first (come out) roll, you win. If 2, 3 or 12 is rolled on the come out roll you lose. Any other number (4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10) becomes the 'point' and you win if the point is repeated before a 7 is rolled. 'Pass Line' bets lose if 7 is rolled before the 'point' is made. Place these bets in the space marked Pass Line on the craps table. They cannot be removed or reduced until after they win and cannot be placed once a 'Point' is established.
B) 'Come Line'
Just like betting the 'Pass Line' except that 'Come Line' bets are made any time after the 'point' is established. Place these bets on the 'Come Line'. You win on 7 or 11 and lose on 2, 3 or 12 on the roll immediately following the placement of your bet. Any other number that comes up is your 'point' and your bet will be placed on that number. You win if your 'point' repeats before a 7 is rolled. You lose when a 7 rolls before your 'point' is made. 'Come' bets can't be removed or reduced until after they win.
C) 'Don't Pass Line'
This is the reverse of betting on the 'Pass Line'. You win if 2 or 3 is rolled on the come-out roll, stand off if 12 is rolled and lose if 7 or 11 is rolled. When a 'point' is established, you win if 7 is rolled before the 'point' is made and lose if 7 is repeated before a 7 rolls. Place these bets in the space marked 'Don't Pass' on the craps table. 'Don't Pass' bets may be removed or reduced at any time, but may not be replaced or increased until a decision on the 'point' has occurred. 'Don't Pass Line' bets may be made only on the come out roll and may not be bet after the 'point' is established.
D) 'Don't Come Line'
This is the reverse of the 'Come Line' bet. Place these bets on the 'Don't Come Line' anytime after the 'point' is established. You win if 2 or 3 is rolled, stand-off if 12 is rolled, and lose if 7 or 11 is rolled on the roll immediately following the placement of your bet. Any other number becomes your 'point' and your bet will be placed behind that number. You win if 7 is rolled before your 'point' is rolled. You lose if your 'point' is repeated before a 7 rolls. At your request, the dealer will remove or reduce your 'Don't Come' bet, but it may not be replaced or increased without being re-bet on the 'Don't Come Line'.
'Pass', 'Come', 'Don't Pass', and 'Don't Come' bets are all paid even money when they win.
E) 'Taking and Laying Odds'
A player may make a wager in addition to his original or 'flat' bet anytime after the 'point' is established. Players may 'take odds' on any 'Pass Line' or 'Come' bets. Odds pay-offs are equal to the true odds of winning or losing the bet (see accompanying table.) The odds bet wins if the flat bet wins and loses if the flat bet loses. The dealer will be happy to explain the limits on taking and laying odds.
F) 'Buy' And 'Lay' Bets
These bets pay true dice odds without requiring a 'flat' bet and may be made directly on 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10 at any time. A 'Buy Bet' is a wager that the number bet will roll before a 7, similar to the 'Don't Pass Line' bet. A commission of 5% is charged on a 'Buy Bet', and on the amount that could be won on a 'Lay Bet'. The payoff odds are shown in the accompanying table.
G) 'Place Bets to Win'
These wagers can be made at anytime, directly on any, or all of the following numbers: 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10. The wager on each 'placed' number wins if the number rolls before a 7 and loses if 7 rolls before the 'placed' number . The 'Place Bet' is similar to a 'Buy Bet' but no commission is charged and the pay out odds are different (see the accompanying table).
All odds, 'Buy Bets' and 'Place Bets' may be increased, decreased, taken back by the Player or called 'off' at anytime. 'Come Bet' odds, 'Buy Bets' and 'Place Bets' are always off on the come out roll unless designated otherwise by the Player. 'Come Bet' odds, 'Don't Pass' odds, 'Don't Come' odds, 'Buy Bets' and 'Place Bets' are all given to the dealer, who places them in the proper location on the craps table. The player is responsible for placing 'Pass Line' odds and keeping track of his bets.
H) Field Bet
This is a one roll bet that may be made on any roll. If 3, 4, 9, 10 or 11 rolls, you win even money. if 2 or 12 rolls, you win 2 to 1. If any other number rolls, you lose.
Hardway bets are located in the centre of the craps table and are placed by the dealer. Hardways may be bet any time. The four possible Hardway bets are 'Hardway Six' (two 3's) and 'Hardway Eight' (two 4's), which pay 9 to 1, and 'Hardway Four' (two 2's) and 'Hardway Ten' (two 5's) - which pay 7 to 1. You win if the Hardway your betting rolls before a 7. The bet loses if you roll a 7 first or if the number rolls with a non-pair combination. For example a 'Hardway Eight' wins only if two 4's are thrown before a 7 or before an 'easy-way' eight (5-3 or 6-2 combination) . Hardways are off and not working on the come out roll unless the player designates the bet to be on.
One Roll Bets
The following bets can be made on any roll of the dice. The bets win or lose each roll depending upon the result of the throw. These bets are handed to the Dealer to be placed in the appropriate part of the craps table. Winning bets are automatically placed again for the next roll unless specifically called off by the player.
J) Any 7: If 7 rolls you win and are paid 4 to 1. All other numbers lose.
Big 6 8 In Craps
K) Any Craps: If 2,3 or 12 rolls you win and are paid 7 to 1. All other numbers lose.
L) Two Craps or Aces: If 2 is rolled, you win and are paid 7 to 1. All other numbers lose.
M) Twelve Craps or Two Sixes: If 12 is rolled, you win and are paid 30 to 1. All other numbers lose.
N) Three Craps or Ace-Deuce: If 3 rolls you win and are paid 15 to 1. All other numbers lose.
Big 6 8 Craps
O) Eleven or Six-Five: If 11 rolls you win and are paid 15 to 1. All other numbers lose.
P) Horn Bet: Is a four unit (or multiple thereof) bet whereby you are betting one-fourth of your wager on 2, 3, 11, and 12. If 3 or 11 rolls you win and are paid 3.75 to 1. If 2 or 12 rolls you win and are paid 7.5 to 1. If a number other than 2, 3, 11, or 12 rolls, you lose.
Horn High Bets: Same as a Horn Bet except you are betting an extra unit straight up on either 2, 3, 11 or 12 as you so designate. For example: a $5.00 Horn High Aces has one dollar each on 3, 11, and 12 and $2.00 on Aces. If one of these four numbers rolls, you win, and the payoff is calculated in the same manner as a 'Horn Bet'. If any other number rolls you lose.
6 And 8 Craps System
Craps Pay-Off Odds
|Pass Line/Come Bet||1 to 1|
|Don't Pass/Don't Come Bet||1 to 1|
|Pass Line Odds/Come Bet Odds/Buy Bets|
Numbers 4 or 10
|2 to 1|
|Numbers 5 or 9||3 to 2|
|Numbers 6 or 8||6 to 5|
Don't Pass Odds/Don't Come Bet Odds/Lay Bets
|Numbers 4 or 10||1 to 2|
|Numbers 5 or 9||2 to 3|
|Numbers 6 or 8||5 to 6|
|3, 4, 9, 10, 11||1 to 1|
|2, 12||2 to 1|
|Numbers 4 or 10||9 to 5|
|Numbers 5 or 9||7 to 5|
|Numbers 6 or 8||7 to 6|
|6 or 8||9 to 1`|
|4 or 10||7 to 1|
One Roll Bets
|Any 7||4 to 1|
|Any Craps||7 to 1|
|2 craps or 12 craps||30 to 1|
|3 Craps or 11||15 to 1|
|Horn bet (3 or 11 rolls)||3.75 to 1|
|Horn Bet (2 or 12 rolls)||7.5 to 1|
The casinos obviously don't tell you the true odds and what their edge on the game really is, so read Craps odds to see the House edge on the bets described.
If you're going to shoot dice and gamble in a casino, you should know about Craps etiquette and how to act like a natural.